Suckout King
05-19-2006, 02:14 PM
In the USA slots are programmed to pay out a certain theoretical amount and are tested fully to ensure that these theoretical levels of payout are met. The actual payout on a particular machine is a completely random event and there is no way of telling when it will pay out. The actual payouts of a machine will differ from the theoretical payout. It would be quite possible for a machine to pay out considerably more or considerably less but it would be very unlikely for this to happen in the long term and whether or not a machine has paid out is irrelevant to whether it will payout the next time someone puts a coin in.
As a result there is no way to realistically beat US machines through strategy in the long term. People often go for "hot" machines, ie machines that seem to be paying out more often. Beyond that you get best odds at maximum bets and everything else is about managing your losses and making sure you get the most fun for your money. If you do things right you can enjoy some casinos comps but beyond that there is very little skill involved. There are rumours of a few machines in Vegas that actually have a payout rate fractionally greater than 100% but these are few and far between and their main function is in getting people playing other machines more in the believe that they have found one of these almost mystical profitable slot machines.
Some machines do have better payout rates than other machines and unless you get much more satisfaction out of the lower paying machines you should go for those with the highest return.
In UK and European machines they often work on a different basis and ironically the recommended approach is the opposite of US ones. Rather than playing machines that have paid out recently you want to do the opposite. With UK machines roughly if you put in 100 coins you would get 95 back - rather than payouts being done as fully random events.
So if you watch someone put in £40 into a machine and get no pay off then you know if you are prepared to put in 25£ or so you have a good chance of winning the £25 jackpot. I have rarely played live slots machines myself because I find them a little dull to be honest but I have sat across the bar plenty times and watched people put money in. I also have many friends who adopt this strategy and they certainly fair far better than other people as a result.
Even if a machine has just paid out £50 then the next 25p in could et the jackpot but it would be unlikely. You need to listen to see if the machine is "hitting the bottom". Not all machines do this but you will soon be able to discover which ones do. If it is not hitting the bottom then do not play it. If it is then the top has been filled and you stand a fairer chance of winning.
If you use this tip you will be less likely to through money away and you will always have the chance of winning. Generally speaking NONE of my friends are up from slots but there are two reasons for this a) they are not fussy enough about when they play. If they were more selective and let some other people play and "sharked" them when they were playing noticing what they are putting in and what they are taking away they would do better. b) they play when they do not have this edge in some circumstances
If it is hitting the bottom and someone then loses more then the machine is ripe to play. You need to be willing to put 25-30 in but you should get the jackpot. You need to keep playing until you do. You could get it after 5£ and you could get a repeat jackpot. Thats what you are really playing for.
If you go into a pub you can always ask the bar man whether or not someone has won recently or "how much change" do they have. They will generally tell you. You can actually get keys (legal but might get you thrown out of pubs) that reputedly have the ability to tell you what the last win was etc on certain machines as well as allowing you to do thinks like change the volumne on them. I have seen these in use and they do sometime impart information and they do not generally set off alarms or anything but all the information you get you could probably just get from asking the barman nicely.
Even utilising optimal strategy and spying on your friends and fellow drinkers you will be hard pushed to make a profit from these in the long term. If you hold out for "perfect" situations though you will probably have a slight edge on the house.
As a result there is no way to realistically beat US machines through strategy in the long term. People often go for "hot" machines, ie machines that seem to be paying out more often. Beyond that you get best odds at maximum bets and everything else is about managing your losses and making sure you get the most fun for your money. If you do things right you can enjoy some casinos comps but beyond that there is very little skill involved. There are rumours of a few machines in Vegas that actually have a payout rate fractionally greater than 100% but these are few and far between and their main function is in getting people playing other machines more in the believe that they have found one of these almost mystical profitable slot machines.
Some machines do have better payout rates than other machines and unless you get much more satisfaction out of the lower paying machines you should go for those with the highest return.
In UK and European machines they often work on a different basis and ironically the recommended approach is the opposite of US ones. Rather than playing machines that have paid out recently you want to do the opposite. With UK machines roughly if you put in 100 coins you would get 95 back - rather than payouts being done as fully random events.
So if you watch someone put in £40 into a machine and get no pay off then you know if you are prepared to put in 25£ or so you have a good chance of winning the £25 jackpot. I have rarely played live slots machines myself because I find them a little dull to be honest but I have sat across the bar plenty times and watched people put money in. I also have many friends who adopt this strategy and they certainly fair far better than other people as a result.
Even if a machine has just paid out £50 then the next 25p in could et the jackpot but it would be unlikely. You need to listen to see if the machine is "hitting the bottom". Not all machines do this but you will soon be able to discover which ones do. If it is not hitting the bottom then do not play it. If it is then the top has been filled and you stand a fairer chance of winning.
If you use this tip you will be less likely to through money away and you will always have the chance of winning. Generally speaking NONE of my friends are up from slots but there are two reasons for this a) they are not fussy enough about when they play. If they were more selective and let some other people play and "sharked" them when they were playing noticing what they are putting in and what they are taking away they would do better. b) they play when they do not have this edge in some circumstances
If it is hitting the bottom and someone then loses more then the machine is ripe to play. You need to be willing to put 25-30 in but you should get the jackpot. You need to keep playing until you do. You could get it after 5£ and you could get a repeat jackpot. Thats what you are really playing for.
If you go into a pub you can always ask the bar man whether or not someone has won recently or "how much change" do they have. They will generally tell you. You can actually get keys (legal but might get you thrown out of pubs) that reputedly have the ability to tell you what the last win was etc on certain machines as well as allowing you to do thinks like change the volumne on them. I have seen these in use and they do sometime impart information and they do not generally set off alarms or anything but all the information you get you could probably just get from asking the barman nicely.
Even utilising optimal strategy and spying on your friends and fellow drinkers you will be hard pushed to make a profit from these in the long term. If you hold out for "perfect" situations though you will probably have a slight edge on the house.